Mandatory Spay/Neuter?

So there is a lot of argument, discussion, and interest in the HP 1634 in California lately. The ‘California Healthy Pet Act’ I guess it’s called. Around about what I’ve heard, it’s a mandatory Spay/Neuter law.

Many breeders are fighting it. Many show people and competition people are also fighting it. And I can see their concern. They don’t want their breeding rights taken away. If this passes, they will have to get permits to have an intact dog (as far as I understand).

CA Healthy Pets is a website that has a lot of good information about it.

Also from what I understand, and correct me if I’m wrong, no one would be able to have an intact dog without a permit. Permits would be given out for dogs in conformation shows. And going into CA with an intact animal will not be punished.

I read that CA has over 800,000 abandoned cats and dogs per year.

The sad thing is, animals are dying because people want to continue to be able to breed irresponsibly. The good breeders can still breed if they follow the rules. The backyard breeders will have to stop.

I did hear somewhere that all breeding, and all animals, regardless of if they show or not, would have to be fixed by 2009…? But I’m not sure if that is a rumor or not.

Anyway, it is a drastic bill, for sure. But the lives of animals are at stake. Too many animals are killed every year in shelters. Something drastic has to be done.

20 thoughts on “Mandatory Spay/Neuter?”

  1. I’m afraid like many bills this one may be punishing the wrong people. There are people who don’t license their dogs, who let them run free and I’m afraid a new law won’t change their behavior.

  2. I'm afraid like many bills this one may be punishing the wrong people. There are people who don't license their dogs, who let them run free and I'm afraid a new law won't change their behavior.

  3. That is a possibility. Not sure if they will know until they try. There’s so much speculation either way that I wonder what will really happen.

  4. That is a possibility. Not sure if they will know until they try. There's so much speculation either way that I wonder what will really happen.

  5. Here is my issue.. dogs would be altered at 4 months old. 4 months… I personally feel if you altered my female bullmastiffs at 4 months, they wouldn’t achieve their full muscle or bone mass… Dogs need estrogen for bones as much as people do.

  6. Here is my issue.. dogs would be altered at 4 months old. 4 months… I personally feel if you altered my female bullmastiffs at 4 months, they wouldn't achieve their full muscle or bone mass… Dogs need estrogen for bones as much as people do.

  7. Yeah Jen, that is a concern. Many performance dogs are being altered at much older ages now to make sure they are fully developed. Research has shown that older is better. For me, since I will most likely rescue an adult dog as my next dog, who is already altered, it’s not an issue. But hopefully there would be an exception for large breeds like yours, or competition dogs.

  8. Yeah Jen, that is a concern. Many performance dogs are being altered at much older ages now to make sure they are fully developed. Research has shown that older is better. For me, since I will most likely rescue an adult dog as my next dog, who is already altered, it's not an issue. But hopefully there would be an exception for large breeds like yours, or competition dogs.

  9. there are so many irresponsible pet owners out there, many of whom never even have their dogs registered. i worked at a vet hospital so i know a lot of them don’t… so i don’t see how this bill will affect the animals they are targeting: dogs owned by irresponsible back yard breeders, and stray dogs and cats. responsible owners will be the ones affected: breeders will have to pay, and those who have their dogs registered responsibly will also have to pay

  10. there are so many irresponsible pet owners out there, many of whom never even have their dogs registered. i worked at a vet hospital so i know a lot of them don't… so i don't see how this bill will affect the animals they are targeting: dogs owned by irresponsible back yard breeders, and stray dogs and cats. responsible owners will be the ones affected: breeders will have to pay, and those who have their dogs registered responsibly will also have to pay

  11. It is possible that responsible people will also have to ‘pay’. However, to reduce the number of dogs that die each year, perhaps we should all have to pay somewhat. Until it’s no longer a problem. I am willing to sacrifice for a while, the dogs are worth it.

  12. It is possible that responsible people will also have to 'pay'. However, to reduce the number of dogs that die each year, perhaps we should all have to pay somewhat. Until it's no longer a problem. I am willing to sacrifice for a while, the dogs are worth it.

  13. This is such a tough subject. I absolutely think backyard breeders and puppy mills should be punished – heavily, but I hate to see responsible people suffer because of it. I was talking to someone the other day about our Humane Society vs. No-Kill shelters. As much as I hate to have any dog euthanized, until we are allowed to put down irresponsible breeders there will be abandoned dogs to euthanize. I do think something needs to be done I just don’t know if this is it.

    And unfortunately Ms. Danielle is right; the responsible pet owners will pay the price and the irresponsible ones will keep on doing what they are doing.

  14. This is such a tough subject. I absolutely think backyard breeders and puppy mills should be punished – heavily, but I hate to see responsible people suffer because of it. I was talking to someone the other day about our Humane Society vs. No-Kill shelters. As much as I hate to have any dog euthanized, until we are allowed to put down irresponsible breeders there will be abandoned dogs to euthanize. I do think something needs to be done I just don't know if this is it. And unfortunately Ms. Danielle is right; the responsible pet owners will pay the price and the irresponsible ones will keep on doing what they are doing.

  15. This is a really tough one! It seems our “rights and freedoms” are being chiseled away one at at time. More legislation and laws and rules to protect us from ourselves. HMMMM… seems the gene pool may need a shock of chlorine not more legislation.

    I must say, I am a huge supporter of spay/neuter. All of my dogs are altered and I wouldn’t have it any other way! It didn’t take long to figure out I didn’t want ANY part of an unaltered male in my house and by 6 months I was begging the vet for an appointment. With the addition of my second male pup, I didn’t even mess around. I scheduled his neuter for the day he turned 6 months when I was at his 6 wk puppy wellness appointment.

    I have seen the devastation of over breeding first hand as my Chocolate girl Eris was from an Amish puppy mill. She was an absolute mess! It is despicable to treat a “companion” animal like livestock! I am afraid that this bill will open the flood gates of poorly breed pups from the Midwest puppy mills (the Hunt Corp). I sure hope it isn’t the case.

    It is sad that big brother has to step in – our society has become so disposable. They consider dogs as “accessories” (thanks Paris Hilton) not companions and dispose of them when it is no longer in season or vogue. I think everyone needs to step back as a whole and take a good long hard look in the mirror.

    I don’t know what the fix is for this mess our society has created. I hope this bill will help, but I have my doubts. There are ALWAYS people that just don’t want to play by the rules. Those are the same people that are ruining things in the first place. :sad face:

  16. This is a really tough one! It seems our "rights and freedoms" are being chiseled away one at at time. More legislation and laws and rules to protect us from ourselves. HMMMM… seems the gene pool may need a shock of chlorine not more legislation. I must say, I am a huge supporter of spay/neuter. All of my dogs are altered and I wouldn't have it any other way! It didn't take long to figure out I didn't want ANY part of an unaltered male in my house and by 6 months I was begging the vet for an appointment. With the addition of my second male pup, I didn't even mess around. I scheduled his neuter for the day he turned 6 months when I was at his 6 wk puppy wellness appointment. I have seen the devastation of over breeding first hand as my Chocolate girl Eris was from an Amish puppy mill. She was an absolute mess! It is despicable to treat a "companion" animal like livestock! I am afraid that this bill will open the flood gates of poorly breed pups from the Midwest puppy mills (the Hunt Corp). I sure hope it isn't the case. It is sad that big brother has to step in – our society has become so disposable. They consider dogs as "accessories" (thanks Paris Hilton) not companions and dispose of them when it is no longer in season or vogue. I think everyone needs to step back as a whole and take a good long hard look in the mirror. I don't know what the fix is for this mess our society has created. I hope this bill will help, but I have my doubts. There are ALWAYS people that just don't want to play by the rules. Those are the same people that are ruining things in the first place. :sad face:

  17. Hi Flo thanks for your reply. Yes something does need to be done. The good responsible people might have to sacrifice for a while until this gets under control. I don’t know the answer either, it just breaks my heart to see all those poor dogs in the shelters and to know so many will be euthanized.

  18. Hi Flo thanks for your reply. Yes something does need to be done. The good responsible people might have to sacrifice for a while until this gets under control. I don't know the answer either, it just breaks my heart to see all those poor dogs in the shelters and to know so many will be euthanized.

  19. Hi Lora, thanks for your comment. Yeah there are always those who will ruin things for the responsible people. It’s awful. This is a very hot debate, and many people are interested in the outcome. If it passes, I would love to see what happens. Either it will be a good example for the rest of the country, or a dismal failure. The people in CA will be the guinea pigs.

  20. Hi Lora, thanks for your comment. Yeah there are always those who will ruin things for the responsible people. It's awful. This is a very hot debate, and many people are interested in the outcome. If it passes, I would love to see what happens. Either it will be a good example for the rest of the country, or a dismal failure. The people in CA will be the guinea pigs.

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