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I have been clicker trained

I am home. I am amazed. I see the world, dog world and the rest of the world, in a completely different way now.

I get clicker training now. I get it. I hope I continue to get it. I know that as my experiences are no longer sharp, that my memories fade and my motivation diminishes, but I sure hope a lot of it sticks in my brain and in my heart, and I can develop the skills to be a real authentic clicker trainer.

Clicker training is not just click and treat, marking the behavior and shaping. That is a big part of it, but it’s not all of it. Watching the speakers was amazing. Kathy Sdao and Ken Ramirez were my favorites. They were amazing speakers, very energetic and got their points across wonderfully.

There are some key points to clicker training. You shape the behavior, or capture, using the clicker. And then after the dogs knows the behavior, you put the cue to it. And then after the behavior is reliable, you go to a variable reinforcement schedule. And then, you know a well trained clicker behavior because:

The dog always performs it on cue, and
The dog ONLY performs it on cue.

I missed those points. Didn’t understand them. And now I understand them so much better.

I am tired, so this is a short post.. I’ll post more later about what I learned, and I’ll read over my notes. I need a nap!

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At the Clicker Expo

Well I am at the clicker expo! And I found free internet. Not wireless, but the hotel has wired internet access in their computer room so I hooked up and here I am.

I am amazed at the clicker expo. The first speaker I watched was Ken Ramirez and not only does he know his stuff, he’s an excellent speaker and knows how to capture and hold his audiences interest.

I will write more when I get home, but the primary thing I learned form him, and remember, is that you have to train the secondary reinforcer. Train them as a behavior. And then follow the certain steps to make them be as strong as primary reinforcers. I really liked that concept.

Many of the trainers here only use shaping. They do not use luring at all. It is a very interesting concept, as I have used a lot of luring.

That first lecture was worth the entire trip. I was also impressed with Kathy Sdao, she is also an energetic speaker with lots of great ideas. I wish I could take regular classes with her, or with one of the clicker trainers here, because doing helps me learn a million times more than reading, or just watching a short lecture.

But in a nutshell, I think clicker training will revolutionize the world of animal communication. It amazes and fascinates me, how we can communicate with other species. It also excites me and thrills me, and I just love it. I think over the next years, and decades, we are going to see more of a revolutionary way of not only communicating with other animals, but relating to them, respecting them, and realizing they are as sentient as us human animals.

Actually, clicker training is already used in training and communicating with exotic animals and sea animals. I’ve heard from a couple of the trainers here who have worked with exotic and sea animals, that they used clicker type and positive reinforcement with them, then came to the dog world and were told that dog are trained differently, with correction and aversives, and they just drank that up and believed it. But now they are questioning that, and dogs are, finally, getting the type of training and care that they deserve.

Very very interesting. I just love it all, and have so much more to absorb. I’m like a sponge, and I want to drink it all in!

In will try to get online tomorrow night as well, we will see how it goes. :)

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Clicker Expo!

Okay so tomorrow afternoon I am flying outta here and heading to the Clicker Expo in Los Angeles. I am excited. It is Friday through Sunday. I’ll fly home Sunday night.

Not only am I looking forward to learning a heck of a lot about clicker training, I’m looking forward to it being 60 degrees in California! I’m so tired of the cold around here. Though I do like the long dark nights. But they will have those there as well.

I hope to buy some good clicker products, and I’m really looking forward to the labs and seminars they will have. I will try to blog from there, but not sure how much time I will have. I’ll have my camera with me, too, because it’s new and I just have to take it, and I want to get some good pictures while I am there.

I do wish I was taking a dog… and Tatum just almost would fit in my carry on suitcase.. she tried super hard to scratch into it when I was packing. :) But alas, I don’t think she’d like to be cramped in there for two hours!

Anyway.. I may or may not blog before I go. Or while I’m there. Either way, should be fun!

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I Got In!

Woo Hoo I got into the flyball seminar! I’m so excited. My flyball caption, of Thunderpaws here in Utah, is also sending off her entry. I hope she gets in, too. If she does we’ll drive down together.. such a saver on gas. And share a hotel room.

I wish I could bring Tatum… but I don’t think they’ll be room in the car for her. I hope she doesn’t get mad. I’ll ask and see but… I’m so silly. I want to take her everywhere and do everything with her. I just adore her! It’s so weird, I’ve never connected with a dog so quickly before. Ever in my life. And she’s not a sweet innocent docile thing, either.. she’s a brat! She has such a sassy attitude. I can’t give her up! So it’ll bug me more than her if she can’t go. And there will be other times she can go.

So anyway, the folk got my entry and I have a working slot. Yay! I can’t wait until March 1st and 2nd to go!

This coming weekend I’m going to the Clicker Expo in Los Angeles. That will be fun too. Wish I could take a dog. Hope I’m not repeating myself as I’m so bad at remembering what I’ve already said. ;) Maybe I’ll leave home my chemises since the husband isn’t coming.

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The Missing Element in Training

Since my post about Cesar Milan a while ago, and the comments I received on it, I wanted to post again. Not about Cesar… really. But about one of the comments (maybe more than one of them).

Someone said that Cesar is more a dog psychologist than a dog trainer. I have said, for as long as I have been around dogs… okay for as long as I’ve been around dogs as an adult.. since my early 20s, that whenever I am with a dog, I am training that dog. And from what I understood, it seems a number of people believe that dog training and dog psychology are mutually exclusive.

I beg to disagree. I think that they are intertwined. So much so that you cannot have one without the other when you are dealing with dogs.

Sure you can teach a dog to sit, down, stay, heel… you can teach a dog obedience, agility, flyball, herding, tracking… and any of the other dog sports out there. And this is all training. However, if you want to really have a good working relationship with your dog, and you want a dog that performs well and likes to work, you have to understand that dog’s behavior. The dog’s psychology.

On the other hand, you can understand a dog’s behavior up the wazoo, but in order to get a well mannered dog, either a house companion or a working dog, you have to incorporate training into the interaction you have with the dog.

I have done agility for over four years now. I am just barely starting to do serious obedience training. If you have followed my training with Chase, my border collie, you’ll know all about the trials and tribulations I’ve had with him. He knows all the agility contacts. He knows his job. He knows how to jump and how to weave and how to run through a tunnel (he especially knows how to ignore me completely and head for the tunnel all the way on the other end of the course). But a very huge piece of his ‘training’ was missing. And that was the behavioral part. Knowing why he does what he does… his drive, his motivation. Knowing that he lacked drive shaping and focus, and that he has a high sex drive, these things are critical when training him.

It seems to me that many, many people in competition events nowadays don’t understand the behavioral aspect of training. Understanding your dog, your individual companion and partner, is critical to the training experience. Having a dog that can think, and listen to you, and focus on his job.. these things are so important that I cannot express it in words. Without the behavior piece with Chase, without understanding his psychology, we never would have restarted our forward progress in dog training. Even in socialization, as he tends to not be good with some other dogs.

So really, to say that Cesar is a dog psychologist and not a dog trainer is something I disagree with. I believe he is both. I still don’t like his methods, though.

I look at dogs completely differently than I did only a year ago. Instead of just looking at their training I look at what their person has done, or hasn’t done, to shape their behavior, too. It’s fascinating. I love it. I want to spend more time doing it. Maybe after I retire I will be able to.

I want my dogs to have every opportunity to succeed. And, of course, I want to succeed, too. And now I have many more tools with which I can do this. And it’s fun!

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My Take on Cesar Millan

Okay I finally had to do it. All the controversy about Cesar Millan and I had never seen his show. I don’t have the National Geographic Channel so I rented some of his shows on Netflix to see what I thought. I only got one DVD, which is fine, and I’ve watched about 3 of the episodes so far.

Can I form a full opinion on watching only 3 episodes? Well, maybe not, but already I think I have a good general idea.

What I liked

He is a very strong personality and he is a natural leader with the dogs. Dog respect him immediately and he probably gives off very strong energy so he can take charge with the dogs. This is great for him and it really works well with dogs. I agree that all dogs need to have a firm, benevolent leader to lead the pack.

What I didn’t like

I don’t think that what he shows on TV is really a good thing for the average general public dog guardian. Many, many people don’t have that strong of a personality as he does. Personally, and I’m not bragging I’m just being honest, I have a good strong personality with dogs. I am a good leader and dogs respect me.

Would I take a dog for a walk that has a history of biting his person? Um, no. Not without a muzzle. Would I try to take a bone, or anything, away from a Vizsla who is growling and lunging to resource guard? Again no, not without a muzzle. And I do not think any regular dog guardian should be doing anything like that. It is most likely they will get bitten. Heck, Cesar got bitten on the show.

And there was the lady with the lab/pit mix who, when she took the dog on a walk, he would bark and lunge and go into a frenzy when another dog came by. And he bit her multiple times and punctured her and drew blood. This dog, for Cesar, was okay.. but still nervous. And even after Cesar left she could not walk the dog, because she was afraid of her own dog.

What Cesar Millan doesn’t do is address the deep down issues the dog has. He doesn’t get into the dog’s personality or behavior. He doesn’t try to work through these issues with loving, firm support. I see and understand how some critics have said he sets dog training back 100 years. Sure you can thrust a dog onto a shiny floor and make them walk on it until they just do it. But why not gain that dogs trust at the same time by approaching the floor, and clicking and treating the dog when he gets nearer the floor? Why not boost this dog’s confidence and teach this dog, a Great Dane, to trust the people’s guidance and make good decisions? That poor Dane was terrified, you could see the stress drool coming out of his mouth. I would so have preferred that situation to have included slow progress with a clicker and food rewards. Even after the dog went onto the floor by himself, he still looked nervous.

I don’t want a nervous dog. I want a happy dog that has confidence in my leadership and works for me because we are a good team, and we are figuring each other out and we have a good connection and we are having fun!

I didn’t see that at all in the episodes I watched.

The sad thing is, of course, that these people let these dogs get to this point in the first place. The Viszla (who was bred in Utah no less) went to live with her family at 8 weeks old. Why on earth is a puppy learning to be fearful, learning to be a resource guarder? Did they not read any puppy books? Did they not follow the three most important rules of puppies… socialize, socialize, socialzie? I guess not. That entire situation was avoidable. They created the Vizsla’s fears, and reinforced them along the way. It’s a very sad situation to see.

The rescue dogs, of course, are always a challenge because of the baggage they bring with them. But still, for the lab/pit mix the lady couldn’t walk without him flipping out, I would recommend her to read Fiesty Fido, teach the dog the look, and some calming behaviors, perhaps TTouch, and work that way instead of forcing the dog into situations where he is uncomfortable, which may aggravate the whole issue.

Anyway… that’s my soapbox rant for the day!

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Words and Cues and Things we Say

I’ve been thinking a lot lately about how we refer to our companion animals. It has become main-stream to refer to our dogs as our kids. Or our pets. And we call ourselves their Mom and Dad.

It is true that we care for our animals like we would human children, and we love them just as much. I am not so sure, though, that I want to be considered my dog’s ‘Mom’. I would rather have another word that signifies guardian, playmate, benevolent leader, and, in fact, equal. I believe that humans and canines are equal, we all evolved from the same stuff. We have equal value and emotions and lives. We just look different and think different. So, I want a new word to signify all these things. I don’t know what it could be, though. And I do not like the word ‘pet’ and you won’t, usually, see me using it. Pet to me is akin to slave, or something that is a lower form of life than a human. And I disagree with that entirely. I will say, instead, companion animal.

Anyway, change of subject (though I like to have one subject per post, this will be quick) in dog training and clicker training, the general idea is that you don’t add the cue until the dog knows the action. Well, my obedience trainer disagrees. And I am tending to agree with her. Because Chase has an awful problem of offering me behaviors. This is because I lured his sit and down, and rewarded him when he offered them. Now he offers like a mad man and I don’t want him to! So I am going to lessen that with Tatum, though she does, since she is more shy, need to do some offering because it will help her confidence.

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Friday Fun Meme

Yes I am glad it’s Friday! Woot for Friday! I am looking forward to a mellow weekend, only a little bit of dog training and some laundry to do.

Anyway found this Meme and I thought I’d do it about the dogs.

What are,…

1. the last 4 books you have read?
The last, or my favorites? Hrm… Well,

  1. the book I am reading now is Control Unleashed, but a lot of it is what my obedience instructor already teaches me.
  2. Also I read Stardust (listened to it on CD).
  3. Also my favorite dog books are Culture Clash by Jean Donaldson
  4. and If Bones Would Rain From The Sky by Susan Clothier.

2. the last 4 websites you have visited?

  1. Sacred Paws
  2. Flyball Blog
  3. Johann
  4. Lone Black Spider

3. 4 favorite items of clothing?
Well, I’m going to do this for the dogs because I know what they like to wear…

  1. Chase likes to wear his seatbelt because he knows he gets to go out!
  2. Levi likes to wear his coat because it keeps him warm.
  3. Chase likes to wear his chain martingale because it means training.
  4. And Tony likes to wear leashes of all kinds because he gets to go for a walk!

4. 4 favorite things to eat?
For me the human, Chocolate of course!
The dogs’ favorite things to eat include:

  1. Pig Ears
  2. Bully Sticks
  3. Dinner (raw or kibble they like it both)
  4. Liver for treats

5. 4 favorite movies?

  1. Tatum likes any move that has dogs barking… she liked Tin Man and the little dog that barked!
  2. My favorite movie that I just saw was Enchanted, wow, great show!
  3. All the Harry Potter movies, of course.
  4. The Princess Bride, though I’ve seen it so much I can recite it all by heart.

6. 4 favorite books?

  1. Culture Clash by Jean Donaldson
  2. The Power of Positive Dog Training by Pat Miller and Jean Donaldson
  3. The Other End of the Leash by Patricia McConnell
  4. Don’t Shoot the Dog! by Karen Pryor

7. 4 favorite TV shows?
The dogs watch what I watch… so I’d have to say they like them too!

  1. Moonlight
  2. Blood Ties
  3. Stargate Atlantis
  4. Heroes

8. 4 things you ate yesterday?
Well yesterday I had too much food. The dogs always say they have not had enough! The dogs ate…

  1. Avoderm Kibble for Breakfast with Cottage Cheese
  2. Raw deer/turkey ground mix with Volhard NDF2 for Dinner
  3. String Cheese for Treats
  4. They wanted pig ears but didn’t get any.

9. 4 things you need to do today?
Today is not a busy day, thank the gods. Let’s see…

  1. Take Tatum by some traffic so she gets used to it and doesn’t flee
  2. Work on Chase’s spoons for obedience
  3. Work on Levi’s heeling as he has been getting bored lately
  4. Oh and I should get some work done, too. ;)

10. 4 gifts you want during the holiday season?
Well I don’t want much, but the dogs want a lot!

  1. More Pig Ears!
  2. More Bully Sticks! Dang I’m running out too…
  3. Soft Comfy Dog Beds
  4. Walks, agility practice, obedience practice, clicker training.. and more!

Friday Fun Meme

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Fun on a Snow Day

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Today it is snowing. And not just a little bit. It is dumping. It’s gorgeous as you can see. I was going to go to the USDAA agility trial (I am not entered) and work with Chase and socialize Tatum, but I don’t want to make that 20 mile drive in this kind of snow. Hopefully we can go tomorrow. No flyball for a while, now, since there is too much snow on the ground. We won’t be seeing any wedding flowers for a while.

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The smooth collies have all been out playing in the snow, Tatum most of all. She has been soaking wet all day. I don’t think she ever saw snow in Texas (do they have snow in Texas?) and she was outside playing with anyone who would stay with her. Chase and Tony, mainly, though not at the same time. It was very cute to see her so wet!

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We also did some training this morning with the collies and the border collie, and things are going so well! Lucy has found her calling. She thinks Find The Peanut Butter Under the Spoon is the best game in the world. Too bad she still limps off and on, doing Utility with her would be very fun. Well, she can learn a lot of it anyway. Chase did great with his spoons. And Tatum, I have realized, needs fewer spoons. Just two for now. Later we will add more. Obedience is a lot of fun to train. It is so challenging, and in a good way. We are using spoons to start training the Utility articles exercise where they have to sniff out the right dumbbell with my scent on it. It’s quite fun to do.

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Tatum is really loving the mat work. I lay down her mat and she knows to go on it and she gets a click and a treat. Success! Something she likes to learn, and she is really starting to get the clicker training. Her sits are also good. Her spoons are okay, and we haven’t done much with wait yet. We need to work on that. We also practice targeting to a lid with a treat on it. I’ll need to get out a jump (if they thaw) and have her jump to a target.

So this is a good snow day all around. The dogs all chewed some bully sticks, and now it is rest time.

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Find Sniff

Last night I pulled out the metal spoons and I worked on metal articles with Chase and even Tatum. We start with spoons that have peanut butter on the underside. And Chase is very good at this. He sniffs each spoon and then when he finds the one with the peanut butter, I click and he gets to lick the peanut butter as we move out of the circle of spoons.

My trainer says I can do this 30 times a night because how hard is it, to have them sniff for PB? We didn’t do it 30 but we did it at least 10.

Tatum is still being cautious about working with me on her own. I tried to play with her last night too, to get her energy up a bit and that worked a little bit in the beginning. She is odd because she is not very enthusiastic about the treats. I need to make up some more liver today she likes that better. She is tentative still, and she kinda wanders around and tries to avoid me a bit. I’m sure she is still stressed and showing avoidance behaviors when I am alone with her. With the other dogs around she is fine with me and nips at me and entices me to play quite a bit.

When I play with her I grab at her feet and at her body, I play bow, and I move around silly with her. I try toys too and she usually will bite at my hands instead of the toy, but that’s okay I will redirect to the toys slowly so they are more fun. And she is playing tug with Chase and Angel so toys are becoming good things for her. At the hoarder where she lived for a year I’m sure there were no toys to play with, just other dogs.

My instructor also told me to try mat work with her, and she was really picking up on that. When she walked on the mat she got a click and a treat thrown onto the mat. She was starting to offer that very quickly. With sits and downs she still doesn’t offer very much, and I have to lure her. She starts her avoidance of wandering around the room and she is having a hard time offering behaviors that I can click and shape. I wonder what I can to to get her to feel more comfortable. Maybe I just need to work with her more.

After training is done I put the clicker, spoons, and treats away, some tool storage place would be nice for dog training devices as well. :)

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